Tuesday, July 10, 2018

They killed Hillary in 2008 (Ava and C.I.)

This is our part two.  (Here for part one.)

Hillary did a lousy job running for president in 2016.  We've never claimed otherwise.  In fact, the moring after the 2016 election, we wrote "So, uh, we weren't with her? (Ava and C.I.)."

Hillary of 2016 was hideous on the campaign trail.  We think it has to do with Hillary of 2008 having so many strong women on her campaign while, in 2016, she had so few.  Instead, she was surrounded by men.

And gone was the inspriring Hillary who showed up on the campaign trail and spoke to workers.  Even downed a boilermaker or two with them.  Instead, in 2016, Hillary was all about the coronation and trying to ape Barack Obama's 2008 campaing -- ape it and outdo it.  Which explains her celebrity obsessed campaign.

Hillary deserves blame for the lousy campaign she ran in 2016 and for being so out of touch with voters after winning so many over in 2008.

But Hillary should never have gotten the nomination.

We're not talking about the crooked DNC and the debate schedule or how Donna Brazile fed Hillary questions ahead of the debates.

We're talking about how Hillary had no shot in hell after 2008.

That's reality.  It's a reality that a number of us who supported her in 2008 were well aware of.

The 2016 crowd, uneducated and uninformed, want to tell you that Bernie Sanders -- damn him! -- ruined Hillary's chances in 2016.

No, he didn't.

Barack Obama did.

In 2008, Barack Obama ruined Hillary's chances and so did his supporters.

Barack mocked and made fun of her.  There was the infamous Annie Oakley dig he provided.  There was his attack on her ("periodically when she's feeling down, the claws come out . . .").  There was the whole brush it off gesture not to mention the delight his supporters had when he flipped the bird while speaking of Hillary.

Yeah, he may not have conditioned them to hate her but he certainly encouraged them to.

Remember this?

jon favreau

The man groping the breast of the Hillary cut out?  That's Jon Favreau.

He was working for Barack at the time.  He never got fired.  (He went on to be Barack's speech writer.  And today some even respect the scum.)  Now Hillary was repeatedly told she must disown this supporter or call out that one.

But Barack and his supporters could and did say anything about Hillary.

And about Bill.

Remember that?

Bill was a racist for his use of the term "fairy tale" to describe Barack's Iraq pose.

Bill was a racist and Hillary was a racist.

At THE DAILY BANTER, Oliver Willis was writing "Hillary White Power Clinton."  He was only one of many calling her a racist repeatedly throughout the campaign.  John Aravosis claimed she sounded like David Duke.

And eight years later, after she was called a racist constantly, Hillary was going to win the presidential election?


She was "likable enough," Barack said in the final debate he appeared in with her.  Said, tossed off, snarled.

As bad as calling her a racist was, it wasn't the worst they did.

They also said she called for the assassination of Barack.

Remember that?

She was being pressured to drop out.  She didn't want to.  She noted that it was only May.  She noted that her husband hadn't secured the 1992 nomination until June.  She noted, "We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California."

Immediately, she was attacked.

Marjorie Cohn, then the president of the National Lawyers Guild, attacked Hillary repeatedly for the comments including in a piece entitled "Hillary's Assasination Politics" that was posted everywhere online and included the following:

It’s astounding that a presidential candidate could verbalize such a thing when the collective American psyche still aches from the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr., and Robert F. Kennedy. Many of us remember where we were when these heroes were shot. The pain we felt is palpable. We still suffer from their absence.
Clinton, evidently surprised at the ferocity of the reaction to her statement, made a half-baked non-apology a few hours later. She expressed regret that anything she said could have offended the Kennedy family. But she uttered not a word of repentance for her suggestion that Barack Obama’s death could inure to her benefit.
The response to Clinton’s invocation of the “A” word was swift and strong. The New York Times called it an “inexcusable outburst.” Keith Olbermann characterized it as “crass and low and unfeeling and brutal.” Noting that “the politics of this nation is steeped in blood,” he admonished Clinton: “You cannot and must not invoke that imagery, anywhere, at any time.”
Clinton’s remarks offer a look into her character. In Olbermann’s words, they “open a door wide into the soul of somebody who seeks the highest office in this country and through that door shows something not merely troubling but frightening.”
Before Friday, a groundswell of support for an Obama-Clinton ticket appeared to be building. But as New York state Sen. Bill Perkins, an Obama supporter, said when he heard Clinton’s comments, “My jaw just dropped — I think she just basically shattered her hopes of being named as vice president. To use the example of an assassination,” Perkins added, “I think, leads one to believe that she may be talking about something unfortunate happening to Barack Obama. Couple that with the other remarks she made recently about winning the white vote and her husband’s statements and I’d say something is seriously amiss.”

How, after Clinton’s ominous remarks, could Obama ever turn his back on her if she became his vice-president?

Marjorie mentioned Keith.  Here's what he went on air with.

Keith, some of the useless Debra Messings thought, was worth reTweeting.  Those of us who paid attention in 2008 know Keith is never to be quoted.  He is the worst trash in the world.  And he may hate Donald Trump but he damn well better own his part in electing Donald.  His little special comments attacking Hillary -- that was only one of his attacks on her -- in 2008 destroyed Hillary's chances for 2016.

Egged on by the likes of Keith, here is how Barack's supporters reacted in real time:

  1. what the heck? Is she actually asking someone to "take him out?". this woman is really sleazy and strange.
    Posted By: jimmy | May 23, 2008 at 04:10 PM
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  2. What a weird thing to bring up..the assasination of Bobby Kennedy...
    Posted By: J.Ortiz | May 23, 2008 at 04:11 PM
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  3. Can anyone say that she isnt trying to quietly tell one of her nutty supporters to knock him off! I'm sorry but youjust dont bring that up when emotions on both sides are so heated! She just showed her lack of judgement in full force! If this doesnt trigger the Super's to get her off the stage, I dont know what else will!
    Posted By: She is Mental! | May 23, 2008 at 04:11 PM
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  4. Hillary the Divider at it again...the most disgusting thing EVER uttered in a political campaign. This woman is scum. But I'm sure it's the media's fault.
    Posted By: HATINGHILLARY | May 23, 2008 at 04:11 PM
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  5. This woman has no decency. There is no way in hell that she should be "given" the vice presidency. HRC does not embody the new politics of Obama.
    Posted By: MacGuffin | May 23, 2008 at 04:12 PM
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  6. OMG, I just can't believe what she's saying. Is she saying "If he gets assassinated, I'm there baby, All mine! I'm not wishing he gets assassinated but at least I have something to keep me in the race."
    Posted By: Aden | May 23, 2008 at 04:12 PM
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  7. I think she is a sociopath! Really! How cold :(
    Posted By: snippet | May 23, 2008 at 04:12 PM
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  8. Wrap it up Super Delegates. She may just decide to hire the hitman herself. No Veep for you.
    Posted By: Super Delegates? | May 23, 2008 at 04:12 PM
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  9. Do we need further evidence that this woman is mentally unstable? If any other candidate for any office made this type of statement during their race, they would be asked to leave the political race.
    Posted By: chs 1965 | May 23, 2008 at 04:12 PM
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  10. Just when I think she cannot sink any loewr, she does. Super Delegates, end this thing now. She is an embarrasment!!
    Posted By: Susan | May 23, 2008 at 04:12 PM
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  11. Yes, and while we're at it, let's all recall just how well the Democrats fared in that same 1968, after their long, divisive primary season. THEY LOST -- BIG. No thanks, Mrs. Clinton. End it NOW! Go home.
    Posted By: No Thanks | May 23, 2008 at 04:13 PM
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  12. How low will Hillary go? So much for not embarrassing the SD's. She is truly mentally unstable. Desperate, truly desperate.........
    Posted By: mikey2020 | May 23, 2008 at 04:13 PM
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  13. I thought I had seen her at her lowest...guess I was wrong.
    Posted By: scott | May 23, 2008 at 04:14 PM
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  14. Oh My God! That is a horrible thing to bring up when you are talking about the potential first African American President! Hillary is out of control! WOW! I mean did she really just say that? Its almost too stupid to believe!
    Posted By: Fargo | May 23, 2008 at 04:14 PM
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  15. I thought I had heard just about the worst of the worst from Clinton the past month BUT this is rock bottom. I sure hope Keith Olbermann picked up on this comment and reams her a new a.....hole.
    Posted By: mary | May 23, 2008 at 04:14 PM
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  16. This woman is truly evil. It's bad enough that she's trying to break the rules on Florida and Michigan that she herself pledged to abide by. Now this? This is not politics--it's sick.
    Posted By: VDS | May 23, 2008 at 04:14 PM
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  17. As far as I'm concerned, her campaign is now over.
    Posted By: David | May 23, 2008 at 04:14 PM
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  18. Ok at the risk of sounding ignorant, I really don't understand the association between Kennedy's death and her staying in?? Can somebody explain to me? Especially at a time when Ted Kennedy was just diagnosed with Cancer? Is this woman well?
    Posted By: Mike | May 23, 2008 at 04:15 PM
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  19. Either this statement was made out of dumbness or poor taste. Neither is appealing.
    Posted By: Nebraskan | May 23, 2008 at 04:15 PM
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  20. Really Joan ? Stating that I'm staying in the race because my opponent may still be executed is just a misinterpretation? Please use that rationale in real life and see how it looks. What if Tiger Woods is leading by 20 strokes and the second-place player publicly says that there is still hope because people have died on the golf course before?
    Posted By: Akif | May 23, 2008 at 04:15 PM
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  21. If you actually listened to the whole interview, you would note that her reference to RFK was only to point out that having the primary season go into June is not that uncommon, historically. It was in NO means an veiled attempt to say that "something could happen to Obama." Ya'll are ridiculous.
    Posted By: Cleveland | May 23, 2008 at 04:15 PM
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  22. WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?! My god...I keep telling people (half tongue-in-cheek, mind you) that she's staying in because she's counting on an assassination. I didn't expect her to come out and explicitly say it, for Christ's sake.
    Posted By: Ben | May 23, 2008 at 04:16 PM
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  23. Wow. What a stunningly irresponsible thing to say. She is destroying her legacy with real gusto now... those that care about her, need to convince her to bow out of the race immediately while she still has a political career.
    Posted By: DogBitez | May 23, 2008 at 04:16 PM
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  24. Be afraid Obama, very, very afraid . . . and double the Secret Service detail. The Arkansas mafia is on the loose again. Obama Foster?
    Posted By: LookAtHerPast | May 23, 2008 at 04:16 PM
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  25. Disgusting- she knows exactly what she is doing. I would NEVER vote for this ego-driven meglomaniac.
    Posted By: Scott | May 23, 2008 at 04:16 PM
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  26. Joan obviously knows no history, since LBJ was elected in 1964 and RFK was killed in 1968. The fiasco in Chicago cost HHH the election along with the lack of support from clean Gene.
    Posted By: warren | May 23, 2008 at 04:16 PM
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  27. WTF!!! I have been trying hard not to say anything bad about this presidential candidate...but now this tops the cake!!! Sure she could keep running until the end of the primary season. But nothing and I mean NOTHING should be given to her in the form of V.P, Supreme court or anything to do with government!!! This B*** has lost it!!! I am a woman and at this point, this minute I have lost ALL respect for Hillary Rodham Clinton!!!
    Posted By: deme in cali | May 23, 2008 at 04:17 PM
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  28. I guess her losing had everything to do with Sexisim, and nothing to do with unbeleavable stupid statements like that! What a jackass! It may be time to really end this thing! Its not funny anymore when you get stupid statements lik that out of a desperate crazy woman looking out for only herself!
    Posted By: Jackie | May 23, 2008 at 04:17 PM
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  29. Self-assassination. She is finished in politics, or should be. The line forms here to oppose her for her Senate seat.
    Posted By: TrueBlue Hussein | May 23, 2008 at 04:17 PM
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  30. This is an outrage.
    Posted By: ellen | May 23, 2008 at 04:17 PM
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  31. She truly is a sick woman. She has no place in the White House or any other government body.
    Posted By: Jim | May 23, 2008 at 04:17 PM
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  32. Joan, How did you come up with that explanation? Why would she mention the assassination instead of the country coming together? I think Hillary's tactics must be rubbing off on her supporters. She would do anything to win and I mean anything!
    Posted By: Annette | May 23, 2008 at 04:18 PM
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  33. And there you have it. This is the kind of trash that we get fooled by every election and we send them to run our country and look out for our children's future.
    Posted By: Bill | May 23, 2008 at 04:18 PM
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  34. There goes VP nod foh sho.
    Posted By: HM | May 23, 2008 at 04:18 PM
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  35. David Gergen, who briefly served as an advisor to Bill Clinton, said it best when asked about whether Barack Obama should have Hillary be the Vice-Presidential nominee. Gergen noted that if Obama chose Hillary to be his Veep, he'd better hire a food taster.
    Posted By: D.GOLDMAN | May 23, 2008 at 04:18 PM
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  36. Every time I think she cannot stoop any lower, she proves me wrong. Hillary Clinton is despicable.
    Posted By: DMWhipp | May 23, 2008 at 04:18 PM
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  37. I wonder what his children (perhaps still supporting her) think about that FASCINATING comment.
    Posted By: | May 23, 2008 at 04:18 PM
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  38. Hillary should drop out because Chris Matthews says so.
    Posted By: andre | May 23, 2008 at 04:18 PM
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  39. Hillary should be removed from her campaign for saying this. SHE HAS LOST HER MIND! The lowest, most desperate thing I have ever heard of in a campaign.
    Posted By: PN | May 23, 2008 at 04:19 PM
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  40. This is the most disgusting thing I've ever heard in a political campaign. Wow, just wow.
    Posted By: JS | May 23, 2008 at 04:19 PM
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  1. That is just the most unbelievable thing someone could say. "Hey.. maybe someone will shoot him and I will be ready to step in to save the party. Ya never know... It's happened before, right"? She is sick!
    Posted By: | May 23, 2008 at 04:19 PM
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  2. If anyone wold be plotting Obama's demise, it would be her!! Now there are rumours about her touting herself for the VP postition. What a desperate clutch for power. The woman is a megalomaniac and wants to drag her fornicating husband into the White House so that he can corrupt more interns. She will say and do anything to get the job. If Obama takes her on as VP, he just as well say ByeBye to the election.
    Posted By: Delta Dave | May 23, 2008 at 04:19 PM
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  3. Seriously, I have thought Clinton has mental problems for some time now. Her reality is not normal. This statement is just another indicator.
    Posted By: Pat | May 23, 2008 at 04:20 PM
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  4. Are you f******g kidding me???
    Posted By: natenyc | May 23, 2008 at 04:20 PM
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These were Barack supporters in 2008.

They're going to turn around and support her eight years later?


No, not in the numbers necessary to win.  Yes, Hillary got more votes than Donald Trump.  But she didn't get enough to win the electoral college and that's the system we have.  She was never going to get enough because of what happened in 2008 when so many were told so many lies about her.

They don't realize that it was all a con.  They don't know that these hucksters would show up eight years later backpedaling.

By then, it was too late.  The impression had been made.

Oliver Willis, for example, would write "Hillary Clinton says she's staying in because someone could assassinate Obama like   RFK."

And we find it galling that these people would be welcomed by the I'm Still With Her Crowd -- the Debra Messings, the Patty Arquettes, the Jamie Lee Curtises, all these stupid bitches who did nothing in 2008 to help Hillary.  They now promote the Keith Olbermanns as voices of wisdom.

Hillary's political career probably ended for good by May 2008.  And those who think otherwise, are kidding themselves.  She never should have gotten the nomination because eight years prior she'd been called a racist by Democrats (and those who posed as Democrats).  She was accused, eight years earlier, of trying to encourage someone to murder Barack so she could get the nomination.

That was not going to go away just because no one mentioned it eight years later.  The press, in 2008, treated it as gospel.

Nothing Bernie Sanders could say (or did say) in 2016 was as damaging as what Barack and his supporters had already done to Hillary Clinton.

They killed her in 2008.  If you don't know that, you're either too young or too stupid or maybe both.

We didn't support her in 2016.  We made clear in 2013 that we would not support her and why.  (We were not impressed with her Benghazi testimony.  We found it evasive and cruel, go read us in real time.)  But it's amazing how the Oliver Willises, the Keith Olbermanns, the John Avarosises, all these people who destroyed her with lies in 2008 were allowed to just declare for her in 2016 and no one was supposed to question them or question their attacks on her eight years earlier.  They weren't just against her in 2008, they portrayed her as a criminal, an insane criminal.

We don't forget that.  And when people think we're too hard on Debra Messing or whomever?  We don't care.  The Debra Messings treat these men who destroyed Hillary in 2008 as though they're gods today and at the same time the Debra Messings want to pretend like they're for Hillary.  No one who is for Hillary can let the Olbermanns off.  Even David Brock had to write a mea culpa before Clintonistas let him saunter over to the Democratic Party at the end of the 90s.

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