So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities again and again. We did, time and time again. Since he was in middle school, it was no surprise to anyone who knew him to hear that he was the shooter. Those talking about how we should have not ostracized him, you didn’t know this kid. OK, we did. We know that they are claiming mental health issues, and I am not a psychologist, but we need to pay attention to the fact that this was not just a mental health issue. He would not have harmed that many students with a knife.
Sorry, SNOPES, it still sounds like she bullied.
"Those talking about how we should have not ostraized him, you didn't know this kid. OK, we did."
Sounds like you bullied him.
It's classic CIPHER IN THE SNOW -- both the short story and the short film. WIKIPEDIA summarzies it as follows:
The story is about an ostracized teenager, Cliff Evans, who following his parents' divorce has no friends and becomes a completely withdrawn "cipher". Then on a school bus, he asks to be let off, and collapses and dies in the snow near the roadside. His school's math teacher is asked to notify his parents and write the obituary. Though listed as Cliff's favorite teacher, he recalls that he hardly knew him. After getting a delegation to go to the funeral - it's impossible to find ten people who knew him well enough to go - the teacher resolves never to let this happen to another child in his charge. It is implied that his death was because no one loved him.
At DESERT BOOK COMPANY in 2015, the following comment was left by Barbara:
Many years ago, when I was a high school psychology teacher, I "accidentally" ran across this incredible film (at that time it was a 16 mm. film) that has changed the lives for the better of many, many high school students who were prone to bullying/ignoring those students who were "different" from them. Told caringly but honestly, this life-altering little movie depicts the extreme consequence of people not caring for other people's feelings. I still get "goosebumps" when I think about this wonderful lesson-teaching movie and the effect it has had not only on MY own life (as a psychotherapist I've seen what bullying can do to kids)but on the hundreds of 15, 16, 17 and 18 year olds who enrolled voluntarily into my "experimental" psychology class. There were no chairs or desks in my classroom...a portable...and the students sat on the floor for 50 minutes, five days a week (grudgingly at first because whoever heard of affluent kids not having the comforts of a desk!),learned to share their feelings and respect the feelings of others, explored values and how our adult lives would be shaped on learning about good values as teens, and studied life and death as subjects to be investigated rather than things that just "happened" to us. Even the football players were brought to tears as this little film uncovers and explores a situation that no one would ever want to think they were took part. There is no particularly religious bent to this film. The scenario simply investigates a premise that we all KNOW we should exercise: be good and caring to everyone you meet because you affect everyone whose path you cross. If your child is being bullied (ignored or otherwise), purchase this dvd and show it to your child's school principal.
Let's go back to Emma's statement:
So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities again and again. We did, time and time again. Since he was in middle school, it was no surprise to anyone who knew him to hear that he was the shooter. Those talking about how we should have not ostracized him, you didn’t know this kid. OK, we did. We know that they are claiming mental health issues, and I am not a psychologist, but we need to pay attention to the fact that this was not just a mental health issue. He would not have harmed that many students with a knife.
"Those talking about how we should have no ostracized him, you didn't know this kid. OK, we did."
And, from Emma's comment, it sounds like you treated him horribly. That doesn't excuse him from shooting up a school. It does note that kids like Emma didn't practice compassion, didn't think that someone among their own ranks who was in need was worthy of help or compassion.
You bully someone and they're going to take it as long as they can and then they're going to snap.
It's funny how Emma insists "we need to pay attention to the fact that this was not just a mental health issue." It was very much a mental health issue. He was lost at home, he was lost at school.
Self-righteous Emma gets one thing right, "I am not a psychologist."
In fact, she's not much of anything.
She's not an adult. She's not educated -- not by a university, not by real life.
She lives off others like a sponge and has never lived alone. But suddenly, she and the porcine 'beauty' are presented as voices to learn from?
David Hogg. Oh, that nose. His parents have paid for so much but they couldn't afford a nose job? It's only going to get worse as he grows. The minute he gains even five pounds, it's going to make him butt ugly. No wonder he's so desperate to grab all 15 minutes of fame now.
Hogg turns 18 this month.
He is a divisive personality. He’s got a foul mouth and an angry attitude.
At the right-wing BREITBART, John Notle writes:
Keep in mind that Hogg is not just any 17-year-old. He is a foul-mouthed hurler of extremist, partisan venom and a shield for a media eager to disarm and silence their enemies on the right. And in order to enjoy that shield, the media have handed Hogg unlimited power.
To begin with, the media, most especially CNN, knowingly allow Hogg to spread conspiracy theories, to accuse the NRA of being “child murderers,” to describe anyone who disagrees with him as “pathetic fuckers that want to keep killing our children,” to accuse Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) of taking money in exchange for the lives of students, and to claim NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch “doesn’t care about these children’s lives.”
In other words, Hogg is not some wide-eyed innocent. He is old enough to own a firearm, to join the military, to drive, to get married, and to step into the political arena to hurl spittle-flecked nuclear bombs at his political enemies on the right…
…but Laura Ingraham accused him of “whining.”
He’s a kid suffering from White entitlement. Hopefully, he will grow out of it. In the meantime, he’s on the national stage and insulting the elderly (his comments about people of a certain age not knowing how to text or whatever on a cell phone). So he’s fair game.
David Hogg Rejected By Four Colleges To Which He Applied and whines about it. (Dinged by UCLA with a 4.1 GPA...totally predictable given acceptance rates.)
Oh, what a little titty baby. He really needs to grow the hell up.
She was mocking him for being turned down by four colleges.
Guess what, she’s allowed to. It’s not hate speech.
Of course, the idiot Alyssa Milano had
to get involved.
Hey, Laura! I’m not sure why you have such animosity for David, but maybe just scream into a pillow instead of publicly attacking a mass shooting survivor. @davidhogg111 is actually shifting a narrative that was fossilized by out of touch people like you. What did you do today?
Alyssa, a failed actress whose career ended some time ago without her ever having leading lady status, likes to play that "What did you do today?" card a lot because she's married money and power (she married into CAA -- the agency that forced women to play nice with predator Harvey Weinstein).
Presumably, Laura spent that day raising her three children and paying bills -- things many adults do.
What did Alyssa do? Steal from the work African-American women again? Try to appropriate African-American women's hairstyles again?
Alyssa loves to take credit for being a producer on CHARMED -- except when it turns out that there was an assault issue on CHARMED. She also doesn't note that, as producer, she didn't find roles for African-Americans. Every episode of CHARMED contained at least three new roles and it was startling just how White Alyssa could go with the casting.
But now Alyssa, having no career left and unable to lose enough pounds to please Atkins (who's paying her to lose weight), has decided she needs to comment on everything.
So she whines about Laura picking on a shooting survivor.
Questionable. 
😂 But
it ain’t my place. I did my part. So, I empathize with you and your
peers because whereas I signed up to be shot at, none of you did. (Not
exactly sure you actually got shot AT but that’s not the point here).
Now... Guns. Here’s my two cents: It’s not a gun problem, not a people
problem, it’s a culture thing. Thing... Not problem. America loves guns.
Accept that just like I had to accept that America loves God. Don’t
ever be so quick to tell a whoooole lot of people how to live. F**king
NOBODY wants school shootings, mass shootings, shootings of any kind
where somebody ends up injured or dead. Nobody. But people want their
guns. I’m actually kinda with the anti-gun folk. There’s no need BUT!
I’ve learned that the way I live and the things I believe have nothing
to do with how others want to live or what they want to believe. I’m a
well regulated idealist. 
🤗 The
people you’re arguing against... It’s not even about the gun. It’s
about the freedom and the right... And you can’t win an argument against
that, nor should you (In most cases). The reality is humans gonna human
and when humans human bad things happen sometimes but on the grand
scale of things... Like 99.999% of people are good. Yes, let’s find ways
to deter those .001% of people as best we can but they’re gonna
accomplish their task regardless... Most likely. I guess I just want to
say don’t be so quick to talk. Don’t be so quick to think YOU are
somehow the ONE person who has things figured out. You want to make a
change? Cool!! But... Try to be less of a c**t about it.
Love and respect,
Derek
😂 But
it ain’t my place. I did my part. So, I empathize with you and your
peers because whereas I signed up to be shot at, none of you did. (Not
exactly sure you actually got shot AT but that’s not the point here).
Now... Guns. Here’s my two cents: It’s not a gun problem, not a people
problem, it’s a culture thing. Thing... Not problem. America loves guns.
Accept that just like I had to accept that America loves God. Don’t
ever be so quick to tell a whoooole lot of people how to live. F**king
NOBODY wants school shootings, mass shootings, shootings of any kind
where somebody ends up injured or dead. Nobody. But people want their
guns. I’m actually kinda with the anti-gun folk. There’s no need BUT!
I’ve learned that the way I live and the things I believe have nothing
to do with how others want to live or what they want to believe. I’m a
well regulated idealist. 🤗 The
people you’re arguing against... It’s not even about the gun. It’s
about the freedom and the right... And you can’t win an argument against
that, nor should you (In most cases). The reality is humans gonna human
and when humans human bad things happen sometimes but on the grand
scale of things... Like 99.999% of people are good. Yes, let’s find ways
to deter those .001% of people as best we can but they’re gonna
accomplish their task regardless... Most likely. I guess I just want to
say don’t be so quick to talk. Don’t be so quick to think YOU are
somehow the ONE person who has things figured out. You want to make a
change? Cool!! But... Try to be less of a c**t about it.Love and respect,
Derek
Oh, look, Alyssa, it's a wounded veteran. Guess that trumps your Baby Hogg.
Poor Alyssa, she needs flash cards to handle politics -- this despite her being a knee-jerk apologist for the Democratic Party -- yeah, she's really that stupid.
But you'd have to be if you were an actress as limited as she is and, year after year, you'd refused to study acting. Alyssa thinks an adult woman has the same tiny range of emotions she exhibited before the cameras at 11.
Reality, when you become a public face,
you are open to criticism. We didn’t run around screaming, “How dare
you say that about Cindy Sheehan! Her son was killed!” We knew people
were going to make fun of her and be mean to
her and that was fine because she became a public face. Cindy had to deal with a lot -- we don't remember Alyssa supporting her but then Alyssa's always about starting wars.
David? He's divisive, vulgar and, yes,
hateful. He thinks he knows about democracy and he does not know a damn
thing. No surprise, he’s only 17.
He knows about masturbation. He knows about jizzing on the sheets. He hasn't had to keep a job or pay any bills or raise a child of his own -- or choose not to raise a child of his own -- or any of things that adults do.
But he's an expert and the problem, you see, it was the selling of guns.
Not, please note, the ostracizing of a child already struggling.
Laura Ingraham is a repulsive human being and I don’t feel sorry for her.
David Hogg is an obnoxious teenager who is close to overplaying his hand.
These are not mutually exclusive ideas.
That's probably true, what Brian Gosling Tweeted.
But David Porcine Hogg launched a campaign against her -- one endorsed by aging hag Alyssa Milano -- that attempts to silence her.
We don't believe in censorship.
Unlike Alyssa The Hag, we believe in the First Amendment -- and, yes, we value it much more than the Second Amendment.
And we think people can say "whining" about others without being treated as though it was a rape.
When fools like Alyssa The Hag start equating it on that level, you're really trivializing rape.
It is not the obligation of children to befriend classmates who have demonstrated aggressive, unpredictable or violent tendencies. It is the responsibility of the school administration and guidance department to seek out those students and get them the help that they need, even if it is extremely specialized attention that cannot be provided at the same institution.
No amount of kindness or compassion alone would have changed the person that Nikolas Cruz is and was, or the horrendous actions he perpetrated. That is a weak excuse for the failures of our school system, our government and our gun laws.
No one expected you to cure the ills of anyone, dear. They did expect that you and your classmates could do something more than hop a high horse. You condemned Nikolas Cruz -- you did it in real time and you do today. It must have been nice for you, such a good education, so smart, so above Nikolas Cruz.
You're too close to the situation to have the required distance to analyze it.
Let's hope, in twenty years, it's not your child being isolated at school.
And let's hope that by then, you've grasped that finger-pointing still leaves three fingers pointing back at you.
The survivors should have celebrated their survival. Instead, they went on a media cruise thinking that, at their tender age, they knew everything. They clearly know nothing and have yet to learn compassion for those less fortunate.
As Ross Greene (TIME) observed:
The bottom line is that, as a society, we aren’t very good at understanding and helping kids with behavioral problems like his. And we aren’t very good at supporting the people who are charged with helping them. Our schools are symptomatic of these truths.
Here's hoping we can get honest about that reality and start addressing it.
Here's also hoping that the High Horse riders gallop off into obscurity real soon.
Let's hope, in twenty years, it's not your child being isolated at school.
And let's hope that by then, you've grasped that finger-pointing still leaves three fingers pointing back at you.
The survivors should have celebrated their survival. Instead, they went on a media cruise thinking that, at their tender age, they knew everything. They clearly know nothing and have yet to learn compassion for those less fortunate.
As Ross Greene (TIME) observed:
The bottom line is that, as a society, we aren’t very good at understanding and helping kids with behavioral problems like his. And we aren’t very good at supporting the people who are charged with helping them. Our schools are symptomatic of these truths.
Here's hoping we can get honest about that reality and start addressing it.
Here's also hoping that the High Horse riders gallop off into obscurity real soon.
