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Iraq, Trump, Clinton, Prison, et al Roundtable," "
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roundtabling about the state of the country and the world," "
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A roundtable"
Ava: We're roundtabling again, on topics including Donald Trump, the
Iraq War, romaine lettuce, prisons, Hillary Clinton and probably much
more. I'm Ava with
The Third Estate Sunday Review, and I'm speaking with Rebecca of
Sex and Politics and Screeds and Attitude; Betty of
Thomas Friedman Is a Great Man; C.I. of
The Common Ills and
The Third Estate Sunday Review; Kat of
Kat's Korner (of The Common Ills); Elaine of
Like Maria Said Paz); Ruth of
Ruth's Report; Trina of
Trina's Kitchen; Marcia of
SICKOFITRDLZ; and Ann of
Ann's Mega Dub. This will be a rush transcript. Okay, let's go. Dumbest thing you’ve ever heard of?
Rebecca: I would
agree that’s very dumb but probably for a different reason than C.I. I
would say it’s very dumb because it’s 2018, the presidential election is
two years away, quit litigating the last election and
start focusing on this one.
Ruth: Agreed.
Ava: Anyone else before C.I.?
Trina: Just to
back up Rebecca on this, you look like sore losers if you can’t let go.
The country has moved on. Hillary’s popularity is something like 27% in the latest poll. She has a very vocal following but they
aren’t that big. The media amplifies them because they’re in the bag
for Hillary. But the country itself has moved on. Hillary and her
Vaginal Secretions haven’t but each month they refuse to move on, they
look more and more ridiculous.
Ava: All good points. So, C.I., that was your point? I’m guessing not. We’re all guessing not.
C.I.: No, that
wasn’t my point. But those are good points. My point was legal. The
DNC has refused to turn over their servers to the FBI while maintaining
they were hacked. They dealt with the e-mail leak by refusing
to address the content of the e-mails and acting as though they weren’t
confirming. Denial and obfuscate has been their pattern. Agreed?
Betty: Absolutely. They’ve refused to be transparent.
C.I.: And if
that’s the position they want to keep, too bad, they just lost it. You
can’t bring this lawsuit without being bound by discovery They are now
subject to all normal legal processes. That’s how it works.
Questions they have avoided will now have to be answered, evidence they
claim to have will have to be turned over. This is bad from an image
perspective as Rebecca, Ruth and Trina pointed out. But legally they’re
now in a position where they just can’t make
claims and be backed up by the media. What’s worse for them is that
even evidentiary privilege will pretty much be null and void. It’s
going to be really hard to bring a case, to be the filing party – and
have the burden of proof on you, and then claim
privilege on communications revolving around an election that is over.
Ruth: Over by nearly two years.
Rebecca: But
remember, it’s not over to them. It’s never over to them. They’ll keep
griping and whining about this election for another two years.
Betty: Try twenty years.
Rebecca: You are probably right.
Ann: Let me quote Aaron Mate "
After
losing Congress & 100s of statewide seats, losing to Trump
should’ve been Dem leaders’ rock bottom. All of us have the capacity for
avoiding self-reflection to the detriment of ourselves & those
around us; their avoidance of self-reflection has become a driving
force."
Ava: Okay, so staying with elections, let's move over to Iraq and,
stealing from C.I., "May 12th, elections are supposed to take place in
Iraq.
Ali Jawad (ANADOLU AGENCY) notes, 'A total of 24 million Iraqis are eligible to cast their ballots to elect
members of parliament, who will in turn elect the Iraqi president and
prime minister.'
RUDAW adds, 'Around 7,000 candidates have registered to stand in the May 12 poll, with 329 parliamentary seats up for grabs.'
RUDAW also notes that 60 Christian candidates are competing for the five allotted minority seats." So any thoughts?
Marcia:
Yesterday morning's snapshot noted a candidate from Hayder al-Abadi's slate,
Ahmed Jassim,
who dropped out of the campaign because a sex tape surfaced and they were saying it was her in the video. Last night,
CNN picked up the same story and Mohammed Tawfeeq and Joe Sterling quote from her statement,
"Everyone knows my family and knows my husband Dr. Saad Salih
al-Hamdani, the professor at Dijla University. I am the daughter of
your country, professor Intidhar Ahmed Jassim. Please, please don't
listen to rumors." She was taken down by a sex tape.
Ann: Which may or may not have been of her.
Marcia: Right. A sex tape killed her campaign. In Iraq of all places.
Talk about fighting dirty. Someone worked hard to destroy her -- fake
tape or real -- they worked really hard to destroy her. And why her?
Of all the candidates, the majority of whom are men, why her?
Kat: I would say because she is a she but this is Iraq. A sex tape of a
male candidate could have brought him down. But it is interesting that
someone wanted to take her down. Was it because she was a member of
Hayder al-Abadi's political slate? Is it about preventing him from
being prime minister? It just seems hard to think this is something
that wasn't planned out.
Ann: And it could be a false tape. But it also could be that she is
actually on the tape. It's weird for such a story to emerge from Iraq.
Humanity's the same all over but, real or fake, a tape like this could
be highly damaging in a society like Iraq. So-called 'honor' killings
still take place in Iraq.
Trina: And US troops still remain in Iraq.
Betty: Which wasn't supposed to happen, remember? Barack Obama was going to end the war.
Elaine: His infamous campaign commercial of 2008, "We want to end the
war and we want to end it now." Then he's elected to two terms as
president of the United States. The war's still going.
Marcia: And they wonder why this con they pulled on the American people,
the Democratic Party, couldn't last forever? The political parties
promise this or that and they fail to deliver. Newt Gingrich, an
example of the 90s, led a mini-revolution on the right but he was
brought down for a number of reasons including his failure to deliver.
That's the Democratic Party. They didn't just fail to deliver an end to
the Iraq War, they failed to even try once Barack became president.
Betty: Faking and shaking Barbara Lee. She spent all that time, "If by
next year, Barack hasn't ended the Afghanistan War, I'm going be saying
something, I'll be saying something, you watch, you listen, I be doing
something."
Marcia: She ain't done s**t.
Betty: Exactly. Faking and shaking.
Marcia: And you can't pull that off forever. You either deliver at some point or we know you're faking and shaking.
Ava: And, Marcia, what happens then? When they make promises they don't keep?
Marcia: People don't show up to vote. You've lied and you're a known
liar. Why am I going to take time out of my busy day, dealing with my
job I hate, raising my three kids by myself, looking after my parent at
the same time, why am I going to make time to file on down to my voting
district's polling place to vote for you? If you're the candidate,
you're asking for our time. Unlike you, we don't have an entourage to
make every little thing work out and massage us and our needs. So you
need to be able to tell us how you're going to make our lives better.
Ava: And you didn't feel that with Hillary?
Marcia: In 2008, yes. In 2016, no. I think you and C.I. nailed it in "
So, uh, we weren't with her? (Ava and C.I.)"
-- she went from trying to be one of the people in 2008 to hob knobbing
with the celebs as she galloped to what she thought would be her
coronation. They're two different campaigns completely.
Ruth: Possibly influenced by her 2008 loss. In 2016, she tried to run a
Barack 2008 campaign and that's not who she was and it was not a good
fit.
Elaine: Who is she now? That's the story of her life.
Betty: Exactly.
Ava: And to be clear, because C.I. handed me a note, Marcia voted.
Before someone does some angry e-mail, "How dare Marcia not vote in
2016," she voted.
Marcia: And I don't have three children. I was talking about what a lot of people face.
Ava: Okay. Going to Trina. Tell us, since you cover food, what we won't be finding at a lot of supermarkets.
Trina: Romaine lettuce. You're not going to find it on the shelves due
to the E coli contamination. What can you do? You can substitute
spinach, a healthy choice. You can fall back on iceberg which is a less
nutritious choice. You can go with kale or Boston lettuce or butter
lettuce. But what you should be doing, absolutely, is asking why it's
considered acceptable, in 2018, that our food -- our basic food, a
vegetable that's not even been cooked or processed -- is contaminated.
We should be asking about that.
Ava: Good point. And that's related to another issue. Actually,
that's related to the Iraq War, now that I think about it. Why are we
settling for our food being contaminated? Why are we settling for this
never ending war on Iraq? And that goes to something
Ann wrote about earlier this week, the prison riot.
Ann: The state of South Carolina was in the news this week because of a
riot at Lee Correctional Institute and 7 inmates were killed Eddie
Gaskins, Joshua Jenkins, Corneilus McClary, Michael Milledge, Damonte
Rivera, Corey Scott and Raymond Scott. In addition, at least 22 more
inmates were injured. Now this was national media news at the start of
the week. You and C.I. have done a great job critiquing the media in
the last weeks with "
TV: Neither humanity nor honesty factor into corporate news," and "
TV: 60 MINUTES of gossip"
and I saw again the feckless media with this story. The national media
immediately moved on before the bodies of the dead were even cold. But
that's not the story. The story is how this riot took place, the story
is the conditions in this prison. The story is are there other prisons
where populations are in danger. But the media is not interested in
anything these days other than Lifestyle of the Rich and Famous.
Kat: Over 2.2. million people are incarcerated in the US. This supplies free labor for many -- not just for
Hillary Clinton when her husband was governor.
This is a societal problem with the secret being that these days the US
government needs the prison population. We're not protecting people,
we're not protecting them when they're on trial or when they end up in
prison. We're certainly not protecting them when the first cry for help
is heard. This is a scandal that will be as embarrassing and shameful
in another century as slavery is today.
Ava: Good points. We need to wind down. One more topic, Scooter Libby was pardoned by Donald Trump.
Valerie Plame is outraged, CNN reports. Comments?
Ruth: I am so very glad that the noted Jew hater Valerie Plame has come
out of seclusion to share her thoughts -- her so very important
thoughts. She is despicable and disgusting and really needs to go away.
Trina: She needs to find herself a hobby. I really don't care to hear
her whinings. Scooter Libby was convicted -- but not of outing her.
Richard Armitage leaked Plame's name. No great loss. But Armitage did
it and admitted to doing it. As we all know, Plame had no need or
desire to go after Armitage. She's a filth, which is why she worked for
the CIA to begin with -- nothing but a gang of thugs who kill people
all over the world. She might want to get honest about that.
Betty: She pretends to care, doesn't she? Every now and then she'll
make a statement supposedly about Iraq but actually about herself.
She's one of the worst attention whores around. She's done nothing to
help end the Iraq War. She's done nothing to highlight the war -- the
ongoing war -- in any of the last ten years. She's just a whore for
attention. She thought she was going to be all important. Then her
hatred for the Jews finally took her down. Now she's desperate to be
somebody again. She needs to fall to her knees and beg for forgiveness
for her work in the CIA. A trashy attention whore.
Marcia: I'm going to fall back on a point that C.I.'s repeatedly made --
we want more presidential pardons, not less. I'm not going to fret
over a presidential pardon and say, "Oh, no!" There are people I want
to see pardoned. It's a power the president is given. If he or she
determines someone has suffered, so be it. I will not go into outrage
theater over pardons. It's counter-productive and only harms us on the
left in the end.
Ava: Okay. Good points. We're closing with this,
October 20 and 21st Cindy Sheehan and others will be leading a Women's March on the Pentagon. Spread the word.
